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Questioning globalist

Discussion in 'Introductions' started by IlluminateMe, 5 November 2017.

  1. IlluminateMe

    IlluminateMe Junior Member

    Hi! I basically adhere to liberal / globalist values, simply because they've proven to be the most convincing ones I've come across. However, I haven't been able to adequately test those ideas against the alternative, and I'm hoping you all can help me out with that. My hope is that the experience will either help me to reject globalism and see the error in that thinking or solidify that belief if one of the prominent alternatives presented by thoughtful people proves unable to adequately address my reservations about it. I'm looking forward to some interesting discussions.
  2. fschmidt

    fschmidt Senior Member

    I suggest you read this:


    It is long but should answer your question. A basic problem with globalism is that it is fragile because it is too large and complex.

    Another problem is that there is a long lag (several generations) between moral decay and societal decay. So if there is one global culture and it decays morally (which is actually happening) then all of humanity will suffer. But if there is cultural diversity, then when the dominant culture falls, some small culture that isn't so morally decayed can replace it.
  3. IlluminateMe

    IlluminateMe Junior Member

    Taleb is great. I'll definitely check it out. My suspicion -- as someone who admittedly has not had the opportunity to discuss these things with someone who actually thinks them until now -- is that fragility and other justifications are more after the fact attempts to justify what is fundamentally an emotional belief rather than a rational one. I could just as well point to the fact that the liberal order has averted war between the Great Powers for quite some time through an imperfect system, but one that is much more stable in most meaningful ways than the pre-EU, pre-UN, pre-NATO, pre-WTO times. The centralization makes it a bit more prone to fragility in some way, probably, in relation to a decentralized system. But just as the U.S. is hardly more fragile in today's federal system compared to under the Articles of Confederation, the world is not necessarily more stable overall when it is decentralized and lacking in a strong global culture. I'd say there are significant costs and benefits to whatever we do, but that costs are lesser and the benefits greater on the side of globalism.
  4. Myrddin

    Myrddin Senior Member

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    A example of the decay fschmidt mentioned
    France: A Decomposing Civilization
    • France's authorities and elites are tearing up, piece by piece, the country's historical, religious and cultural legacy so that nothing remains. A nation dispossessed of its identity will see its inner strength broken.

    • No French terrorist who went to cut off heads in Syria lost his citizenship. The magazine Charlie Hebdo is now receiving new death threats, and no major French publication expressed solidarity with their murdered colleagues by drawing Islamic caricatures. Many of the French intelligentsia have been dragged in courts for alleged "Islamophobia".

    • The martyrdom of Father Jacques Hamel at the hands of Islamists has already been forgotten; the site of the massacre is still waiting for a visit from Pope Francis as a sign of condolence and respect.

    • France "sacrificed the victims to avoid fighting the murderers". — Shmuel Trigano, sociologist.
    France is about to commemorate the victims of the terror attacks of November 13, 2015. What has been achieved in the two years since the attacks?

    The French authorities are sending compensation to more than 2,500 victims of the jihadist attacks in Paris and Saint-Denis, who will be compensated with 64 million euros. Important victories were also attained by anti-terrorism forces. According to an enquiry by the weekly L'Express, in the last two years, 32 terrorist attacks were foiled, 625 firearms were seized, 4,457 people suspected of having jihadist links were searched, and 752 individuals were placed under house arrest. But the general impression is that of a country "frailing from within".
    In 1939, a Spanish anti-Fascist journalist, Manuel Chaves Nogales, fled to France, where he witnessed the collapse of the French Republic under German assault. His book, The Agony of France, could have been written about today. Nogales wrote that while the German soldiers were marching through Paris, the French were swarming out of movie theaters, "just in time for the apéritif at the bistro".

    After two French girls were murdered by an Islamist in Marseille last month, the social commentator Mathieu Bock-Côté wrote that France is experiencing "a process of national and civilizational decomposition that the authorities have decided to accompany and moderate, without claiming to fight and overthrow it, as if it were unavoidable". He seem to have got it right.

    The previous French president, François Hollande, did not even try to get re-elected; his successor, Emmanuel Macron, refuses to talk about Islam and appears to accept the permanent capitulation to the state of fear and emergency. The French army failed to liberate Raqqa, Syria as it promised after the attacks. "France will destroy ISIS", Hollande said after the carnage in Paris; but it was US and Kurdish forces that liberated the Islamic State's de facto capital. 15,000 French Islamists are now being monitored by the French intelligence services. Meanwhile, in the last ten years, 40,000 Jews have fled France.

    The safety of ordinary French people is no longer guaranteed. Islamist violence can arise anywhere to strike those who wear a uniform and those who do not. All French citizens are now targets in a war where, for Islamist terrorists, everything is allowed.

    In France's parliament, "Islamo-Leftist" voices are becoming increasingly bold. The political class distracts itself with "inclusive writing" at school; in vitro fertilization for singles and gays and on-the-spot fines for "sexist" harassers. No French terrorist who went to cut off heads in Syria lost his citizenship. The magazine Charlie Hebdo is receiving new death threats; no major French publication expressed solidarity with its murdered colleagues by printing Islamic caricatures. The victims' relatives published books entitled, You Will Not Have My Hate. Many of the French intelligentsia have been dragged into court for alleged "Islamophobia".

    Meanwhile, no Islamist enclave inside the secular Republic has been reclaimed, and only 19 Salafist mosques have been closed.

    The French parliament recently found it urgent to strip the politician Marine Le Pen of immunity after she tweeted photographs of victims of ISIS, including that of the US journalist James Foley. "Daesh is THIS!", she wrote in a post accompanying the photographs and using the Arabic acronym for ISIS. So, a country that that suffered 250 murders at the hands of ISIS removed political protection to a leader, who is already under police protection, for having spread the images of victims of ISIS, and thereby opening the door for her prosecution.

    The martyrdom of Father Jacques Hamel at the hands of Islamists has been forgotten; the site of the massacre is still waiting for a visit from Pope Francis as a sign of condolence and respect. French judges are now busy removing Christian symbols from the landscape: last month in Ploërmel, the cross above a statue of Pope John Paul II was ordered dispatched for allegedly violating the separation of church and state.

    Paris's Mayor Anne Hidalgo recently banned the city's main Christmas market for being insufficiently elegant. France's authorities and elites are tearing up, piece by piece, the country's historical, religious and cultural legacy so that nothing will remain. But a nation dispossessed of its identity will see its inner strength broken. Samuel Pruvot, a journalist for Famille Chrétienne ("Christian Family"), recently claimed that Christianity in France will be soon found in "museums".

    French culture, for the past two years, has been marked by "the sentiment of the end of the world". Intellectuals from both the left and right have been publishing essays about the "suicide of France", its "decadence" and its "unhappy identity". These are brilliant and important takes on the current state of French society. France now needs to go beyond mourning. It needs to show strength -- the will to prevail.

    France now needs to start fighting the ideological war, the most important one after arrests and the seizure of weapons. If France does not do that, November 13, 2015 will be remembered as the day in which France, as the sociologist Shmuel Trigano said, "sacrificed the victims to avoid fighting the murderers". https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11336/france-decomposing

    https://voiceofeurope.com/2017/11/g...-we-are-being-conquered/#.WgRKzHyvtek.twitter Excellent video




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    Half of young women in Sweden feel insecure
    Published November 10, 2017 at 10.40
    DOMESTIC. Young women are unsafe in Sweden and less than half of women between the ages of 18 and 29 feel safe. It shows the new report"Swedes and security 2017", developed by the alarm company Verisure in cooperation with Sifo.The report also shows that Gotland is the country's safest county.
    The report "Swedes and security 2017" has been developed with the purpose of investigating how safe Swedes feel today.

    In total, 4,200 Swedes in all counties have answered questions concerning safety in their homes and neighborhoods. The report shows, among other things, that just about every other Swedish does not think it is enough to maintain the security in their area, and as many people say they could think of moving if they feel insecure.

    Worst is it for women who generally feel less safe than men. The feeling of security falls the younger you are.

    Very bad is the numbers for young women - not even every other woman aged 18-29 states that they feel safe.And insecurity is increasing especially in November and December, according to the survey.

    "Feeling safe can seem to be a fundamental human right, but despite it, every third Swedish is experiencing a sense of insecurity in his home and neighborhood. We see that in the case of increased insecurity in his immediate area, interest in protecting himself, his family and his home increases, "says Fredrik Ringborg, security expert at Verisure.

    "We can not accept that every third Swedish does not feel completely safe in today's society. Therefore, it is important to raise this issue of society and discuss how society, government and companies can together contribute to increasing security.

    According to the report, Västmanland is the county where the least proportion of people feel safe, after which comes Kronoberg County and Stockholm County.Gotland, on the other hand, is Sweden's safest county. 82 percent of the Goths state that they feel safe in their area. Gotlanders are also least concerned about burglaries: 23 percent on Gotland state that they are worried about burglary. The Gotlanders also stand out in their belief that others feel safe - 100 percent of the Gotland states that they believe others feel safe in Gotland.

    "Insecurity is something that affects people's well-being and is a problem we need to take seriously," says Kristin Öster, an expert on stress at the Psychology Factory.


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  5. Myrddin

    Myrddin Senior Member

  6. Raisin

    Raisin Senior Member Staff Member

    I don't think that's true. Western nations aren't at war with Western nations, but they also didn't go to war with the USSR and they don't go to war with China, or even with Iran. This isn't the liberal order; this is the "has nuclear weapons and may be willing to use it" order. MAD is a very real phenomena which prevents two truly industrial powers from bringing their full weight against each other; war is thus only possible against underindustrialised states, or through insurgencies. (Taleb himself says this directly: Nations are big things that can be hit hard in specific places to cripple them. But an insurgent enemy is a flea - it can't be located easily, and it can't be hit hard without massive collateral.)

    Anyway, since you mention Taleb, I'll proffer another idea of his:


    A minority which doesn't compromise has greater influence than a majority which does compromise - because that minority will simply slowly accumulate the fruit of 1000 small compromises. The minority doesn't have to be better in any respect; they simply have to be committed to their beliefs, and to have a method of expanding the number of people who are expected to adhere to them. Our current progressive order exists, - aside from the structural development of global logistics, - because progressives are very intolerant people, who are very energetic about preaching and enshrining their values. Unfortunately for them, their beliefs are all tailored towards critiquing their own civilisation - they cannot effectively critique out-groups without contradiction; so their intolerance can't be directed against Islamic beliefs, for example. Islam will thus receive compromises from Liberals, and ergo...
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  7. Myrddin

    Myrddin Senior Member

    Careful now promoting that argument and adding statistics may trigger the "PC police that DO NOT ;) exist here" to start issuing warnings. Remember statistics hurt
  8. Raisin

    Raisin Senior Member Staff Member

    I'd guess that's not to do with providing statistics, but with just copy-pasting from articles.
  9. Myrddin

    Myrddin Senior Member

    :scratchchin:Articles that did contain said statistics. Countless threads and responses from several members exist here that contain copy and pasted articles
  10. Raisin

    Raisin Senior Member Staff Member

    Might just be an issue of presentation, then.