Rehashing Hitler

Discussion in 'Political Theory & Philosophy' started by JosephRex, 4 November 2013.

  1. Manu

    Manu Señor Member Sustaining Member
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    Most excellent chapter, Joseph. I rated it funny, due to the ending. Many of these memoirs were written, sadly, and there is no telling what is truth and what is sheer opportunism, seeking to exonerate those writers from allied-jewish persecution. I have an idea of who this person would be, but I am not quite sure it is fair to judge Hermann Göring and make him into some sort of joke, like the jewish media has consistently done due to his corpulence. Fairly sure he did take prescription drugs for his destroyed stomach (bullet wound from his time as a fighter ace in WW 1 tore up his intestines)... Well, that is actually beside the point. That remark, though, makes it sound like an attempt at "schmoozing" up to some kike publisher.

    I am glad that it got a grip on what Himmler thought of Christianity as such and laid it out clearly. Nobody at the time, except perhaps a few eccentrics, were having issues with Jesus. The problem with the church since the middle ages has always been the church institution itself, meddling in politics, stealing land from naive old folk and excommunicating/burning at the stake/railing against and crusading against those who did not follow their every whim and cater to the "Holy See" at every turn. Quite ridiculous. To think they quit meddling after they quit crusading and burning "witches" is wrong, they still meddle a great deal even if they have lost much of their power. Back in the time of Hitler, though, that influence was a real thorn in the side of the Reich. It was a very real and subversive element in society, and not easily gotten rid of. You know what they say about serving two masters, and now I am not talking about Jesus and Hitler here, but the Pope and Hitler. Jesus, faith, God or theology were not issues at all, only Mother Church, that unholy nest of liars, black magicians, bankers, robbers, pedophiles and con men. Any priest who takes a shilling for his work is no priest at all, but a Pharisee who must be driven from the temple!

    Now, Himmler himself, as well as the Führer, grew up as Catholics and both saw the beauty of what Christianity is to some priests, but also what it is to the "higher" priests, appointed due to church politics and often quite rotten. Getting the same sort of reaction as Martin Luther once had when he wrote his 95 theses and nailed them to the door of the All Saints church in Wittenberg... Well, that reaction is nothing but natural and thus it must be understood. Any man who gives himself to the Lord must ultimately feel obligated to stand against corruption, division and decadence. Being against the catholic church is quite easy, if it is only a personal opinion. It is quite obvious, to a thinking man, that the church itself is bad in every sense of the word, unless one is completely blind, like most folk are and forever will be. It has its good days and some priests who do good despite being charlatans, but being at odds with Mother Church and the Pope in Rome was quite a hazard to anyone wishing to unite a religiously divided Germany. Yet it was done, and not for lack of the church trying to fight the rise of Germany, tooth and bleeding nail.

    As a sidenote... I think it is a fine idea to have leaders take time off to think for three months or so, every now and then. The weight of the world can make any man make less than perfect decisions. As for the "not enough time" with those glorious twelve years, I cannot agree more. If Germany had gotten five more years, nothing would have stopped the rise.

    Hitler as a God was never on the tapestry and it is yet again one of those malicious lies which fills the jewish media these days. I know it is not easy to separate from all those documentaries everywhere. What is true is that many did believe him to be a prophet or even the second coming of Christ, but never God himself. More like a Noah, with National Socialism as his great Ark, a savior in the physical sense, sent here by God almighty to save humanity from the jews and communism. Second coming of Christ or not, I myself feel that he was without a doubt sent here by heaven, and he did indeed die for the sins and neglect of humanity, along with so many millions of the bravest and finest folk who ever lived. Let us just hope that this, the greatest case of martyrdom by far in human history, will be enough of a sacrifice to inexorably change the world and "turn the aeon", as you put it.
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  2. JosephRex

    JosephRex Heroic Member

    I’ve reworked some of the material which I posted earlier to this thread into what I believe is a much improved exegesis with a new title:

    Wherefore Hitler?

    1. Man of the Century

    The very name of Adolf Hitler is to this day a potent mantra which enflames masses of people, polarizing them into hostile camps with conflicting worldviews. From the end of the war to the end of the century, the side that saw Hitler as the Devil incarnate and the epitome of evil was totally dominant ~ in fact, this was the view that prevailed in the Zeitgeist of Western culture. The countergeist of the Third Reich survived its downfall, but only in scatterdemalion legions on the fringe of society. The latitude of this mismatch began to shift at the turn of the millennium with the white awakening. Now there is a sizable contingent of people who are open to new paradigms, and who cast their critical eyes on a past that may be prologue to a whole new aeon.


    In 1999 Time Magazine offered their readers a chance to vote for the Man of the Century (later neutered to “Person” of the Century). Hitler took a commanding lead right from the start. This is not surprising since it wasn’t billed as a popularity contest; the premise was simply to select the individual who had made the biggest impact on the world in the twentieth century, for better or worse. Nevertheless, the Jewish owners and editors of Time were very upset at the prospect of running a cover like the one shown here. Despite all their hand-wringing and efforts to shame the readership, A.H. stayed in the lead. Finally they “elected” one of their own from the top down.

    The next three chapters consist of a revision of text which appeared in posts above, and which I have now deleted. I’ll just post some quotes from them with links to the complete new text (& full-scale pics) on my blog. Then will come two all-new chapters.


    Excerpt: [In the Modern Age] the people had changed not only physically but psychologically as well: they had become individuals. They were no longer content to be merely part of a larger organism, like a race, a nation, a class, a clan, or the Mystical Body of Christ. Some believed that their science had proven that they had no soul, that the inmost being of the individual was purely a thinking mechanism called the ego. It was this Faustian ego that confronted the world in 1900 ~ this was the actual nature of the white collective intelligence. And this was the key to its ineluctable destruction in the century that followed.

    Excerpt: In his most popular work, Nietzsche put the core of his credo into the mouth of a character modeled on the Avatars of God, with the twist that his Zarathustra is an Avatar against God. And not only God but the Gods ~ the "idols" of faith, the spirits of nature, the souls of the dead, and the hopes of the living for a better life in a higher world: all are consigned to oblivion by the mockery of Zarathustra.

    Excerpt: Hitler was hailed as the German Messiah, and there was a powerful religious overlay to all the enthusiasm. Here are a few selected quotes from the historical record of that era, some of them from clergymen:

    "We believe that the Lord God in Heaven has sent us Adolf Hitler, as the champion of German Right in the world."

    "We have a feeling that Germany has been transformed into a great house of God, including all classes, professions, and creeds, where the Führer as our mediator stands before the throne of the Almighty."

    "Adolf Hitler gave us back our faith. He showed us the true meaning of religion. Adolf Hitler is the true Holy Spirit." [My comment:] Sieg Heiligen Geist!

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  3. JosephRex

    JosephRex Heroic Member

    Wherefore Hitler?

    5. Short of the Glory of God

    The Germans' perception of Hitler as a divine being or instrument of God is subject to critical overview, even by the most ardent admirers of the man and the Reich. It's no disgrace to fall short of the Absolute highest standard, which is that of Supernal Spirit. Unfortunately, a miss is as good as a mile in these matters, and the doom to which Hitler delivered his people is exactly the kind of outcome presaged by hubris.

    We see in the text at the above link that a Supernal seer is immediately aware of the divine unity that pervades all creation, that divine love flows through him, giving him compassion for all beings and deep empathy for human suffering. There are many degrees of Supernal adeptship, but a basic attainment is transcendence of anger, fear, hatred, and the desire for vengeance.

    The Bhagavad Gita was greatly prized by Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler, though it's hard to say how deeply his understanding penetrated its many layers of meaning. The Gita sheds more light on our question, as Krishna urges the seeker of Supernal Spirit to “abandon all desires born of will” (6:24), to “become free from enmity to all creatures” (11:55), to be “even-minded in all conditions and rejoice in the welfare of all beings” (12:4). In the last chapter he describes a high degree of Supernal attainment: “Casting aside self-sense, force, arrogance, desire, anger, possessiveness, egoless and tranquil in mind, he is worthy of becoming One with Brahman.” In Hindu theology Brahman is not an anthropomorphic God but a symbol of Supernal Spirit.

    Though he was a man of great self-possession and high character, it seems clear that Hitler had not mastered his passions to the extreme degree prescribed here. He certainly would never have “abandoned desires born of will”, since he staunchly affirmed Nietzsche's will to power. The whole thrust of the Weltanschauung he fostered in the Reich was diametrically opposed to such Gita basics as detachment from the fruit of action. The very mantra Sieg Heil emphatically lustily affirms desire for a very definite outcome!

    The Weltanschauung was thoroughly Faustian ~ in fact a case can be made that the Third Reich was the grand climax of 500 years of the Faustian Modern Age, with Nietzsche as the immediate predecessor and prophet. There was nothing in Hitler's teaching, as written in Mein Kampf and proclaimed in his speeches, that bodies forth any Supernal insight nor even spiritual essentials like life after death and salvation of the soul. There was only the Faustian drive upward and onward to undiscovered heights, the neverending reach for something better than what we are and of which we cannot now conceive. This he called idealism, and it took on a religious dimension.

    One of the grandest (or most grandiose) ideals of the Reich was to conquer the world. It stirred the hearts of the Germans in a way that was hardly “free from enmity to all creatures”, nor did it lead them to “rejoice in the welfare of all beings”. When objections were made to this aim on moral grounds, they were usually refuted by appeal to the Nietzschean valuation of such sentiments as weak, ignoble, and Christian. Here, though, we are quoting not the Gospel but the Gita, wherein the teachings are delivered by a Son of God to the warrior Arjuna. The final outcome, which can be seen as the fruit of all the teachings, was victory in a monumental battle.

    So how is this different from Sieg Heil? Most obviously in the monumental defeat of the Reich, but the deeper truth which leads to the divergence of results is that only a leader who possesses the Supernal qualities can carry it off. Detachment from the lust for victory brings victory. Transcending arrogance, anger, and hatred invests you with the divine force needed to lay waste a mighty foe who hates your guts.

    The opening scenario in the Gita is that Arjuna has lost the will to fight because among the enemy are many of his beloved kinsmen. He laments to Krishna by citing the basic karmic truth that “if we kill evil men, evil shall befall us”. (1:46) Several chapters later Krishna answers this plaint by unveiling a great secret which is often overlooked even by the most knowledgeable commentators: “He who sees that the God in himself (Atman) is the same God in all, he hurts not himself by hurting other.” (13:28) I.e., the way to slay even the vilest, most black-hearted foe without incurring a jot of karma is to grasp the Truth that he is really Supernal Spirit wearing one of its myriad masks. Of course to be able to see this you must have attained Supernal Spirit yourself.

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  5. Voxvot

    Voxvot Junior Member

    This is a fascinating thread that demands much a more close reading than I have yet given it, it does, however, touch upon an aspect of the rise of the Third Reich that has always fascinated me, and that is the impression that its rise was attributable to a massive release of psychic energy, a resolute and implacable virility seems to have gripped the German nation. Perhaps that release of energy and the unstoppable vitality that it generated was simply the result of intense collective effort in which all mundane thoughts, quarrels and strivings were relinquished, and all effort was dedicated to a common goal, but it's hard to escape the feeling that it was, in fact, the manifest anger of a God more than the work of humans. The fear and loathing that liberals have of the National Socialist phenomenon has more to do with a deep dread that the dharma may be unleashed against them once more, than it has to do with the phantasmagorical horrors of the holocaust.
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  6. JosephRex

    JosephRex Heroic Member

    Wherefore Hitler?

    6. Is He Fit for Becoming Brahman?


    Though the Faustian worldview was willfully embraced by the leadership of the Reich, the effect on the Volk was different, and even ironically opposite. For the miracle wrought by Hitler was that he lifted a whole nation of people out of the Faustian ego. In their joyful devotion to the Führer, they cast off the soul-deadening self-centeredness that characterizes the age, and threw themselves into a life of selfless service to the larger organism of which they were now a part. The phenomenon impressed many high-minded people in the years before the war; some compared it to Christianity in the first two centuries, when it was filled with the Spirit and had not yet calcified into the strictures of a Church. One such admirer of the Reich was Frank Buchman, the charismatic leader of the Oxford Group, a Christian revival movement that was sweeping the West. Himmler was fascinated by Buchman, and invited him to the 1936 Berlin Olympics. In an interview afterwards Buchman said that if Hitler surrendered to God it would save the world.

    To understand the profound implications of this statement, we have to lift it out of its strictly Christian context. We saw that Hitler fell short of Supernal enlightenment as described in the Bhagavad Gita, but the Secret of the Gita is that an individual can connect with Supernal Spirit anyway by the practice called bhakti, devotion. And this is identical with the Christian practice of surrendering to God, as explained in Godbody.

    The German people were performing bhakti to Hitler ~ literal spiritual surrender. If the Führer in turn could have surrendered to Spirit, it would have completed the circuit and opened the channel, and the fount of collective worship would have ascended all the way to the throne of Heaven. And then the Reich would have been truly invincible, an instrument in the hand of God for the fulfillment of the divine purpose in the world.

    In the Gita Krishna speaks as the supreme deity of the universe, and as the voice of Supernal Spirit. In chapter 14 there's a passage in which he reiterates the difficult path of Supernal mastery, and then adds: “But he who serves Me with unfailing devotion (bhakti), he too is fit for becoming Brahman.” (14:26)
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  7. Coram Satanae

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    If there is one I have learned from reading all of this, it would be that Sanatama Dharma has retained more wisdom than christianity and infinitely more than mohammedism.

    I can see why Guenon thought so highly of Advaita Vedanta.
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  8. JosephRex

    JosephRex Heroic Member

    Glad you found it interesting enough to read all the way through. I agree with your first observation EXCEPT for the Sufis, whose inner core is one of the most powerful groups of Übermenschen on the planet, on a par with certain Hindu Sanghas. And BTW, didn’t Guenon convert to Islam, for the sake of the tradition?

    Advaita = non-dualism, as you know; Dvaita = dualism, and Visishtadvaita = dualism/non-dualism. That’s closest to my own POV.

    Your comment led me to read your intro. I’m impressed, which doesn’t happen too often. Will reply tomorrow.
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