Discussion in 'Introductions' started by Firmus, 9 September 2018.

  1. Firmus

    Firmus Junior Member

    I discovered this place through a recommendation on reddit (/r/DebateFascism, please don't laugh) and I decided to check it out, I hope I find some good discussions on here and that there is enough different views here to make discussions interesting as well as for me to not stick out too much. I am not exactly a reactionary, I do believe in reviving the spirit of the past and taking what is best from national history, but Mussolini was right when he said that history does not travel backwards, the political system to lead each nation should look for inspiration in the past, but it also needs to look forwards to adapt to new problems and new opportunities. I am revolutionary just as much as I am a reactionary, even more so than (most) fascists actually, since I think power should be secured by any means necessary. For the last year or so I began thinking of myself as a national bolshevik. The fact that the ideology isn't really developed is actually a good thing because it means I'm not tied with a dogma or the accusations of diverging too much to how a system was implemented in the past. I simply admire a whole range of third position ideologies and am very opposed to democracy (especially liberal democracy, simply using the word "democracy" in rhetoric can sometimes be useful). As a national bolshevik I also admire some communist regimes, or at least I acknowledge what good there was in them. Communism itself can't be achieved so states led by communism as an ideology usually move on to something else, they either fall or very often are transformed into nationalist socialist totalitarian states, so they actually come closer to the third position and right up my alley. I know that doesn't sound traditionalist, but it's better than liberal democracy and I strongly agree with Evola when he said that the biggest flaw of conservatism is that there's nothing left that is worth conserving. The traditionalist school that Evola belonged to is actually what I mean when I say I'm a traditionalist. I don't want to revive the exact system of a bygone age and I'm not simply saying I like traditional food and customs. Traditionalism to me is a devotion to something greater than oneself, to one's family, people, nation and ultimately the divine. Tradition is also that which connects the members of society into an organic whole, into something greater than the sum of its parts. And it is not just the people alive that tradition connects, it is also the dead and those not yet born, tradition is what creates continuity in history. We need that sense of continuity, while other animals live only in the present, man needs a sense of the past to give his life meaning and he also needs to know that he will continue to live in the generations to come. Another traditionalist that I quite admire is Guenon, my thoughts on spiritualism are actually quite similar to his, I am a Catholic, but I am worried about the way it is heading which makes me sceptical sometimes, I admire eastern religions and I am especially sympathetic to Islam (too bad Europe is being flooded with the worst of the Muslim countries). I have to say though, Evola and Guenon do get lost in things that are too esoteric to be useful and too vague to be religiously important, I agree with the basics of their views, but they can easily stray from that. A philosopher that I admire most would have to be Plato, his political thought still holds up incredibly well and I feel like no matter how I might change my religious views, they would have to connect to Platonism.

    And that's about it when it comes to my political and religious views. I don't really like talking about myself so I don't really know what to say more. I'm from Croatia and about to start studying philosophy and information science after a huge waste of time in engineering. I don't really have a lot of hobbies, mostly I just consume media in my spare time. I do read a lot, but I also feel like I'm wasting too much time. I am also interested in language learning, but it mostly comes down to linguistic fascination since I jump too much from language to language or just give up too easily. I could be more active in a small political party that I am a member of, but the party is more alt right than anything so it doesn't really reflect my views, I am there more for social reasons. But still, it's not a bad idea to actually get into politics at least a tiny step. I don't want to talk about it any further though, for reasons just stated and because I would prefer not to get doxed.

    Feel free to comment and I hope to see some quality discourse on this forum.
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  2. RabGospodnyy

    RabGospodnyy Member

    Welcome to the forum Firmus! As you say that you consider yourself a national bolshevik, what is your opinion on those Russian authors (of which the best example is Alexander Dugin) that link Traditionalism with the Nazbols and Conservative Revolutionaries?
  3. s3v

    s3v Member

    Hello Firmus. Welcome.

    I need you to read these three books by Julius Evola:

    1) Revolt Against the Modern World
    2) Men Amid the Ruins
    3) Ride the Tiger

    Can you do me that much of a favor?
  4. Firmus

    Firmus Junior Member

    I really don't like Dugin. What I read from him are his blog posts and The Fourth Political Theory. From the former he seemed like an Evola fanboy desperately trying to be original and trying to apply Evola's ideas on politics. And he can't even do that terribly originally since he falls back on Heidegger. He can have thought provoking remarks, but once he starts elaborating those in the wider context of his world view, he loses me. The Fourth Political theory starts of promising, for the first part of the book he seems to be know what he's talking about, and he presents the fourth political theory as less of an ideology and more of a political reality that will come after the age of ideologies and mass politics has ended. This concept is very captivating. But then it became exactly what I feared it would be. He wants to classify all ideologies in three groups, which you obviously can't do. The absurdity of trying to do so is made laughably obvious, like he is trolling the reader, when he puts Strasserism, original German National Bolshevism and original Russian National Bolshevism, three closely related ideologies, into three different groups. He gives flawed explanations and flawed criticisms of all three ideologies. Then in the end he becomes an Evola and Heidegger fanboy desperately trying to come up with an ideology that would apply the best of the previous three and avoid his previous criticisms. His fourth political theory really doesn't offer anything which the third one doesn't offer already and it seems like the only reason why he had an interest in National Bolshevism was because it was not a clear ideology and was so different from everything else, so he hoped to influence it to become his ideal political theory. Now he still flirts with National Bolshevism, but so does Russia as a nation, and his support is turned to Putin.

    Maybe I'm at fault for basically being a fascist with wider range of sympathy for different regimes and movement. But that's all I've read from Dugin and I can't say I've read any similar authors. I can't say I want to. I would love to read Ustryalov's writings however, but I couldn't find them in English.
  5. Firmus

    Firmus Junior Member

    I've actually read all three of those books. I loved Revolt Against the Modern World, only really disagreeing with him when he started talking about sexual freedom and attacking the Catholic Church. It is basically everything good about Evola distilled. The other two books left me disappointed however. In those books he rambles on too long about things that are not that important, he opposes fascism without offering anything better and he often advocates for opposing views.
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  6. RabGospodnyy

    RabGospodnyy Member

    I also recommend that you read Fascism viewed from the Right, which is also a good critique. However, the alternative is always more implicit in Evola's works.
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  7. Manu

    Manu Señor Member Sustaining Member
    1. Norden
    2. Knights of the Iron Cross

    Hi there. I called myself a national bolshevik, once upon a time. In fact, I was brought up in a very left-wing family and once called myself a communist (the marxist-leninist Che Guevara-worshiping variety). I quit around the time I got access to the Internet, it did not survive the meeting with facts. I do recognize where you are evolving from, though. The curious part is that you seem to have read Julius Evola.

    What nation do you belong to? I.e. race/ethnicity.
    How old are you? Male or female?
    Interests? Married or unmarried? Children?
    Thoughts on ecology/environment? What is your view on race and immigration?
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  8. Arboreality

    Arboreality Member

    Welcome to Lumine Boreali, Firmus. I noticed that your name alludes to the famous Roman usurper.

    I would say that if we're talking about Evolian Traditionalism, then one should start with A Handbook of Tradition Living to get a basic introduction to Evolian concepts and to some extent Traditionalism as whole. I'd then recommend reading Mystery of the Grail so you can understand Evola's supra-historical worldview. Then you should read Pagan Imperialism, other than that these books are also necessary reading. Of course you should definitely check out work by other foundational Traditionalist authors.
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  9. Firmus

    Firmus Junior Member

    I actually came from the opposite end of the spectre. I was liberal when I started thinking about politics, but that was just because that's the status quo. As soon as I actually learned more about conservatism I became a conservative, then became more authoritarian and got radicalised into fascism. The interest for Strasserism, National Bolshevism and other more left leaning ideologies came more from the fact that the right is the fact that the socialist aspects of fascism have quickly become forgotten after WW2 outside of capitalist propaganda and it is even worse today because while there seem to be less neonazis who don't go any further than race in their political views, fascism is more watered down as it tends to ally itself with the right which is becoming increasingly libertarian. So I have pretty much always been on some kind of the "right" and my more recent "leftist" leanings are mostly just a desire to point out being a third positionist, as the third position is the initial point of fascism.

    Croatian. Maybe a drop of foreign blood, but with very loose reasons to thinks so. I haven't done a DNA test.

    22, male.

    Interests in which sense? I am unmarried and without children. I would love for that to change that in the future though, as I think pretty much anyone on this forum would as well.

    Ecology is another thing that I think the right has a wrong position on. Protecting the natural beauty of one's country seems like something most nationalists would agree with but I guess the influence of international capital and (((America))) is just too strong.
    As for race, I do believe in race, but I'm also an idealist and don't base all my views on race like nazis do. Enough of an argument against race should be the existence of nations comprised of multiple races or racial influences like the UK, France, Spain, all of the Americas...
    I am against immigration, it just can't possibly be a good thing to bring in a foreign element into your nation. Some individuals can assimilate, but that should always be an exception.
  10. Firmus

    Firmus Junior Member

    I wasn't really sure about the username and quickly chose a latinisation of my actual name. This did get me interested in learning more about my sort of namesake, I should do that sometime.

    Thank you for the book recommendations, I already have a lot that I plan to read so I don't know when I might get around to reading them, but I'll download them.
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